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Have Europeans Lost Their Minds?

Sobering article about what European regulators have in mind for European car owners.

This government overreach should never be considered in the US. We need
our leaders to understand limiting a sports car top speed is not a solution to save lives but an assault of our liberties.

London (CNN Busines)New cars sold in Europe from 2022 will have to be fitted with systems to limit their speed.

Under new safety rules agreed by the European Union, all new vehicles are required to have "intelligent speed assistance" systems as standard equipment.
The EU rules don't mandate specific technology for the systems, which can be temporarily overridden by the driver. Some carmakers have already developed ways of using GPS or cameras to detect posted speed limits and make sure vehicles adhere to them.
European Commissioner Elżbieta Bieńkowska said in a statement that 25,000 people are killed each year on European roads, with the vast majority of accidents being caused by human error.
Volvo limits its cars' top speed to 112 miles per hour for safety
Volvo limits its cars' top speed to 112 miles per hour for safety
"With the new advanced safety features that will become mandatory, we can have the same kind of impact as when the safety belts were first introduced," she said.
The rules, which also mandate crash data recorders and reversing cameras, were hailed by safety advocates. But others raised concerns over the risk of drivers becoming complacent and less focused on the road conditions.
The European Automotive Manufacturers Association also has concerns about the technology. It warned last year of "many infrastructure-related issues holding back its widespread application."
It said that road signs are not standardized across Europe, making speed limits difficult to detect. Digital maps lack speed limit information for many roads, and the data is not always current.
"That is why intelligent speed assistance systems should be introduced gradually in cars to provide enough time to update our infrastructure," it said in December.
Intelligent speed assistance systems don't automatically apply the brakes when a car is going too fast. Instead, they limit engine power to keep vehicles to the speed limit unless overridden by the driver.
Volkswagen is betting its future on electric cars
Volkswagen is betting its future on electric cars
Some European automakers see an advantage in limiting speeds.
Volvo, which is owned by China's Geely, said earlier this month that it would its stop cars from going faster than 180 kilometers per hour (112 miles per hour).
It said it is also considering other technology that could put stricter speed limits on cars driving near schools and hospitals.
"We want to start a conversation about whether car makers have the right or maybe even an obligation to install technology in cars that changes their driver's behavior," Volvo CEO Håkan Samuelsson said at the time.
The EU rules must now be formally approved by member states and the European Parliament.

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Sobering article about what European regulators have in mind for European car owners.

This government overreach should never be considered in the US. We need
our leaders to understand limiting a sports car top speed is not a solution to save lives but an assault of our liberties.
Where’s the article to be found?
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Edited to show CNN article.. Euphemism talk: ISA means speed limiter?!!!

The speed limiter device—known as intelligent speed assistance, or ISA—uses GPS data and sign recognition cameras to detect speed limits. If the vehicle exceeds the posted limit, the device will emit a warning sound and automatically slow down the vehicle.

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I was just having dinner with a friend who just flew in from the UK and he was telling me about this.
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Sigh.


I remember riding my bike without a helmet as a kid. Rode that thing everywhere. No helicopter parents. In fact, I used to ride it to the local airport where I did odd jobs hoping to get a ride. The airport did not have any fencing around it. Kids were welcome.


I'm not sure my grandkids can even ride a bike. They sure can lie on a couch and play video games though.


Progress.

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This is both a great idea, and crazy. On one hand yes, it will limit some bad behaviour, I can think of some scary teenage wreckless drivers in my area that could benefit from this. Yes I am getting old!

On the other hand, this will be the end of the automotive period. I am just retiring from a 25 year career in the auto industry, and a big topic for the last few years is how the next generation is moving away from car ownership. My view is that in the next 25 years, the auto industry is going to change more than it has in the previous 100 years. Making vehicles into appliances, which this is the start of, will remove some of the fun parts of driving.

The exotic and hyper car makers must be spinning thinking about how this would impact their market.
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Yes.

They also announced that from 2021 they are abandoning daylight savings / standard time (called summer and winter time). But member states may decide whether to remain on summer time, or winter time, or some may decide to continue with the time change. And the UK will do its own thing post-Brexit. So not only will you have 3 time zones which are not really linear, but you’ll need to know what states are keeping summer time, which ones are stuck on summer time, and which still change their clocks and when, every time you cross a border as you go through unified Europe!


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Edited to show CNN article.. Euphemism talk: ISA means speed limiter?!!!

The speed limiter device—known as intelligent speed assistance, or ISA—uses GPS data and sign recognition cameras to detect speed limits. If the vehicle exceeds the posted limit, the device will emit a warning sound and automatically slow down the vehicle.
The Ghibli loaner I had last year did all but slow the car down. It was right on with limit changes, and set off a buzzer (programmable) when you exceeded the limit.

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I remember riding my bike without a helmet as a kid. Rode that thing everywhere. No helicopter parents. In fact, I used to ride it to the local airport where I did odd jobs hoping to get a ride. The airport did not have any fencing around it. Kids were welcome.


I'm not sure my grandkids can even ride a bike. They sure can lie on a couch and play video games though.


Progress.
I did similar at various local airports. Used to sit under the approach path and critique landings for hours. Now it’s no stopping/lingering for fear you might be a terrorist. I suppose flight sims have replaced the real thing but for me nothing actually beats the real thing. The speed thing is simply the result of insurance and health care costs. Have a look at all the OH&S arse-covering that goes on. The insurance companies rule the behaviour of the western world. Much better I think if technology could be used to detect the level of intoxication or how drug affected or tired the potential driver is and prevent the car from being started in the first place.
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