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...I also agree with the team orders given to Charles there was no need to swap positions he couldn't catch the Merc unless it had a major malfunction and by no means we're they going to win the race at that point. Why start the season off with having your lead driver pissed off due to car problems and loosing points if he doesn't have too. If Charles could win the race then by all means seb needs to take the back seat.
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Thinking it might have been a good chance for engineers to see just how badly off Sebís car was.
Leclerc ran a geed race. Much better than Antonio did for Alfa.

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I think Gio was used a blocker to keep the midfield from attacking Rai as a strategy.

I don't see anything wrong with his drive. It was brilliant in ways. He held of the midfield brilliantly, and better than I would have expected from almost anyone on those old, old tires. It was clear to me the priority at AR was to get Kimi as high in the order as possible with points, and that means Gio could not finish 11 or 12, as doing so would have brought the midfield to Rai early and on fresh rubber.

Gio wore those guys down, destroyed their tires and severely restricted their chances of ruining Kimi's debut. When you look at Kimi's finish, it has teamwork behind it. Better one car in points, with one 15th, instead of finishing 11 and 12. That's race sim and that's team strategy.

Gio was also reported to be one of the best simulation drivers Ferrari ever had, and they are missing him already.
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I think Gio was used a blocker to keep the midfield from attacking Rai as a strategy.

I don't see anything wrong with his drive. It was brilliant in ways. He held of the midfield brilliantly, and better than I would have expected from almost anyone on those old, old tires. It was clear to me the priority at AR was to get Kimi as high in the order as possible with points, and that means Gio could not finish 11 or 12, as doing so would have brought the midfield to Rai early and on fresh rubber.

Gio wore those guys down, destroyed their tires and severely restricted their chances of ruining Kimi's debut. When you look at Kimi's finish, it has teamwork behind it. Better one car in points, with one 15th, instead of finishing 11 and 12. That's race sim and that's team strategy.

Gio was also reported to be one of the best simulation drivers Ferrari ever had, and they are missing him already.
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I agree with most of what you said as to the what's and why's.
Just not sure it was a brilliant strategy - hilighted by Perez being so used to trying to sneak past Giovinazzi on track that he almost went up the back of him in pit lane! - but it was clear what Alfa were doing all along. It was just a mutton-fisted way of salvaging the race. And with a bunch of about equally matched cars on the Melbourne course, it was bound to work. I'd just rather have seen faster cars winning, rather than being supported by a slow defensive tackle.

Hopefully, Ferrari and co will have engines sorted out in 2 weeks. IF there was actually a systemic problem like the article you shared suggested, rather than Marinello just playing their own head games and planting a story for someone to find... If Leclerc would have been allowed to pass Vettel, we might have found out! But in 2 weeks time, I'm sure that Hamilton's problems will be resolved as well. Man, 20+ seconds. That's 1/4 lap!
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There is no doubt that Ferrari had a setup issue. Aero, suspension, dampening, tire temps: Definitely an honest issue there, but the gap isn't down to setup only. Mostly. But in re-reading and trying to grasp nuances of language, here is more insight below.

It is somewhat well sorted now that they never tapped into any other engine mode other than 'safe' / normal. People (me included), have inferred this was because of a cooling or reliability problem. Lost in the nuances of the Italian press and others, I think I have a bit more clarification:

Had to gain exact meaning in translation, and the engines were not pushed, but this was a strategy planned for Australia all along and because of reliability, but not because of a problem. Best I can tell is that Ferrari had determined the number of times and places where they'd access certain engine modes over the course of the engine's life, which must go 7 races w/out penalties. Going in, this did not include Australia.

For one, they were forecasted to be fast without engine mode turned up at times. Second, given the nature of the track, the return (lap time) on investment (wear) was also determined to be low. Finally, they never nailed the setup, so with straights that don't benefit from engine modes much (relative to other tracks), no high-speed sweepers and no other flat-out sections, and a car sliding in slow corners (pushing), it appears Binotti let cooler heads prevail and stuck to the strategy. Setting emotions aside, he determined, as an engineer first, that without the setup working, cooking the engines was worthless, other than adding window dressing and knocking 10 seconds off the gap to leader.

Last year, Ferrari was something like .6 down after qualifying, yet stuck close in race trim, because the setup was better, and it gave them a chance to pounce on a timely yellow/safety car.

I've created some confusion by raising the engine issue, but it is clearer now. Now we're all on the hook to see what happens next, so I'll be up again at odd hours watching practices, qualis, races and news articles I can barely comprehend. lol

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I get you, but was confused by Seb's radio message "Why am I so slow" and the reply "we don't know - we're working on it" or something like that. Sounded like this was news, unless it was just made for public consumption (whereas Leclerc's request to pass and denial weren't made public although he admitted to them post-race).

I like the racing, Hate the head games.

Looking forward to Bahrain, though.
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My problem with Ferrari is
LeClerc may be the faster driver and should be given the change to be #1

IMHO, at the moment, he is faster than Seb,
Why not give your faster driver the additional points to help him win the Driver championship.

Time will tell
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I hope LeClerc forces their hand in a bigger way soon. One race in and he was faster than Vet, but it would have gained zero team points.

Ferrari will have a real problem soon if he is faster in Q, the start and the race, or if he needs to pass Vet to challenge those ahead.

"Seb, this is Jock; please let Charles by; he is faster"

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Had a great weekend! Great event and love Melbourne and all the good eats

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Nice photos. Glad you had a good time in Oz. Did you get to go for an early morning drive up on the Black Spur? That VB tastes like water lol. Were they finally selling new AR Racing merchandise at the track?
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