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If you still believe whatever these experts say, you haven’t been paying attention.
The experts are all just schilling for bill and his vaccines and the dems are trying to ride it to the whitehouse.
 

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If you still believe whatever these experts say, you haven’t been paying attention.
The experts are all just schilling for bill and his vaccines and the dems are trying to ride it to the whitehouse.
Here in Oz, we’ve followed our own experts’ advice. It worked for us and am very pleased our politicians actually followed their advice. There have been a few glaring mistakes, but the populace has been cooperative here for the most-part. Now, with just over 100 deaths and 7,000 cases and no community transmission of the disease, restrictions are being lifted, in what I deem a lab-rat phase. We’ll know in 2 weeks if it was too early. It has been estimated that 14,000 deaths would have occurred here had not social distancing and quarantining arrivals from OS been practised.
Two schools were closed yesterday as one student in each was diagnosed as Covid positive. It was the second day of fully open schools in NSW.
 

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In my home State all of the big box stores have remained open during this pandemic. ( Wallmart, Home Depot, Lowes) And most small stores have had to remain closed. I thought that makes sense because the stores are so big that social distancing is more likely to be maintained. But, this past weekend I went for a drive past some of those big box stores. I have never seen so many cars in those parking lots. So there has to be a whole lot of people in those stores at one time. Is this a good idea ? Would it not be better to open up more stores and keep the people more separated, rather than crowded into just a few big stores?
With everything closed down and nothing to do, now is a good time to do all those home and auto projects that we have been putting off for so long. Thus, we see an overabundance of people in these few stores. Would it not be better to open things up just a little? Don't really know ? :unsure:
That’s precisely what I did. Painted the rooms of my house as our hardware stores remained open while enforcing social distancing rules. Had a massive clean out too. Still in the midst of it. It worked for us in Oz.
 

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Well, I don’t know why it’s still being used after 50 plus years. FDA should remove it if it’s that bad. I think there may be other controlling factors. This medicine is really economical to purchase. If it works good the pharmaceutical industry won’t be able to raise their prices now preventing them from making big profits on newly formulated drugs.
But malaria doesn’t attack the heart and blood vessels like SARS Cov-2 can. Hydroxychloroquine was also being administered in heavier dosages than when given as a malarial treatment.
On a more positive note, human trials of a US vaccine (Novavax) commenced here on Monday(25/5/20).
Coronavirus: Human trials begin for vaccine in Victoria
The morning presenters I think went out of their way not to acknowledge the US origins of the vaccine in their intro...apologies.
 

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But malaria doesn’t attack the heart and blood vessels like SARS Cov-2 can. Hydroxychloroquine was also being administered in heavier dosages than when given as a malarial treatment.
On a more positive note, human trials of a US vaccine (Novavax) commenced here on Monday(25/5/20).
Coronavirus: Human trials begin for vaccine in Victoria
The morning presenters I think went out of their way not to acknowledge the US origins of the vaccine in their intro...apologies.
Safety trials. Guess you guys get to be the Guinea pigs. :p

I doubt that they would do a stage 2 human clinical trial in a country with such a small infection rate, though.
Even the UK with its much bigger numbers, was questionable for their (Oxford University) vaccine trials. They won't intentionally subject participants to the virus, just put those vaccinated into the world along with a placebo control group, and see how many of each come back positive for the virus and who becomes symptomatic.
So, if you aren't likely to run into the virus, how can you tell if the vaccine is effective.

Interesting how this is worldwide.
Canada is actually participating in the Chinese vaccine trials.

Fingers crossed that some of these efforts are successful!
 

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Safety trials. Guess you guys get to be the Guinea pigs. :p

I doubt that they would do a stage 2 human clinical trial in a country with such a small infection rate, though.
Even the UK with its much bigger numbers, was questionable for their (Oxford University) vaccine trials. They won't intentionally subject participants to the virus, just put those vaccinated into the world along with a placebo control group, and see how many of each come back positive for the virus and who becomes symptomatic.
So, if you aren't likely to run into the virus, how can you tell if the vaccine is effective.

Interesting how this is worldwide.
Canada is actually participating in the Chinese vaccine trials.

Fingers crossed that some of these efforts are successful!
Yes, it’s a very small trial. Maybe just to satisfy a condition of our part in the research? Maybe deliberate exposure to the few who have the virus In a hospital environment? I don’t know for sure.
 

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Yes, it’s a very small trial. Maybe just to satisfy a condition of our part in the research? Maybe deliberate exposure to the few who have the virus In a hospital environment? I don’t know for sure.
Sounds like stage 1 human trials only, which is to look for reactions, contra-indications (problems with the drug related to other medical conditions or medications), and the development & longevity of antibodies to the virus. Perhaps also exposing those antibodies to the virus in vitro.

Stage 2 would involve hoping for exposure in the wild. It’s generally considered unethical to intentionally expose trial candidates to harm. One of the last guys to do that was named Mengele (and his patients weren’t volunteers).
 

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Sounds like stage 1 human trials only, which is to look for reactions, contra-indications (problems with the drug related to other medical conditions or medications), and the development & longevity of antibodies to the virus. Perhaps also exposing those antibodies to the virus in vitro.

Stage 2 would involve hoping for exposure in the wild. It’s generally considered unethical to intentionally expose trial candidates to harm. One of the last guys to do that was named Mengele (and his patients weren’t volunteers).
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First, I don't believe we will get a vaccine any time soon. I don't think we will have one in 2021, maybe in 2022. Even then, there is no guarantee we will have one that is safe to inject. This is the new reality we are facing and it will have a major impact on how society operates.

My main concern is the rise of automation. This virus was just the right push for companies to start automating their processes. Jobs will be lost forever because of the indirect effects of COVID19.

A lot of these low-skills, low paying jobs are going to disappear sooner than I thought. What's the point of having a bunch of people in a warehouse stacking shelves? Post-corona this has become a huge liability and it's now easier to convince the C-executives to invest in shelves stacking robots.

This is just the beginning, we will see drastic societal changes in the new few months/years.
 

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First, I don't believe we will get a vaccine any time soon. I don't think we will have one in 2021, maybe in 2022. Even then, there is no guarantee we will have one that is safe to inject. This is the new reality we are facing and it will have a major impact on how society operates.

My main concern is the rise of automation. This virus was just the right push for companies to start automating their processes. Jobs will be lost forever because of the indirect effects of COVID19.

A lot of these low-skills, low paying jobs are going to disappear sooner than I thought. What's the point of having a bunch of people in a warehouse stacking shelves? Post-corona this has become a huge liability and it's now easier to convince the C-executives to invest in shelves stacking robots.

This is just the beginning, we will see drastic societal changes in the new few months/years.
I agree with you. In my own profession there has been a big push for online learning and devaluing the worth of teachers. During the restrictions there’s been the realisation that kids need the socialising that occurs within the school environment to achieve their best, especially those who are more academically challenged. Hopefully this experience has given those making the decisions pause for thought and done more to save our bacon rather than harm it this time ‘round.

As for my wife who is a pianist, we set up Skype on my spare laptop so she could conduct lessons on-line. It turned out satisfactorily for most students. In future, if those students can’t make their lesson due to mild illness, they may still be able to do their piano lesson. She lost several students who didn’t have the necessary technology but they’ll start back next week. All prefer face to face lessons. It has been a good learning experience for her. Previous to the restrictions she hadn’t really embraced computer technology. Now she’s much more comfortable with it.

Apparently we are buying more made in Australia products here, and realising a greater necessity for being more self sufficient as a nation. Hopefully the lessons won’t be quickly forgotten.

We have a retailer called Myer who were doing it tough before Covid. Their online sales went through the roof after they closed their stores during restrictions. I hope this doesn’t mean impending permanent store closures. Along with automation of warehouses it might mean many low skilled jobs are on the way out. Not good. Not everyone can be lawyer, engineer etc.
 

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So this is the conclusion of a study into the drug touted as a game-changer.
Malaria drug touted by Trump linked to increased risk of death: study
That report was discredited by many medical groups. Evidently it was politically motivated. There is a listing of all drugs for issues, morbidity rate, problems with other drugs, etc. On that listing both Tylenol and aspirin are rated far worse. Evidently Italy has been using it to treat Covid patients with positive results. They found that it is most effective when used when the earlier symptoms surface and before it gets to advanced stages. Frankly I see so many of these medical "latest" findings and many are politically biased one way or the other. I tend to be a skeptic until I hear a few different views from medical experts on both sides of a question.

In any case I feel it is the patient and their doctors place to suggest and to agree on a treatment based on latest findings and as appropriate for THAT patient....not on political BS.
 

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It’s an awkward moment now because the game is up. Everyone is gradually getting it.
It’s like the moment you caught someone trying to take your wallet from your back pocket, only they aren’t running away. They are pointing behind you shouting “LOOK!! A Ferrari!!” hoping to complete the theft. We aren’t falling for the decoy and just staring at them. That’s where we are.
 

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That report was discredited by many medical groups. Evidently it was politically motivated. There is a listing of all drugs for issues, morbidity rate, problems with other drugs, etc. On that listing both Tylenol and aspirin are rated far worse. Evidently Italy has been using it to treat Covid patients with positive results. They found that it is most effective when used when the earlier symptoms surface and before it gets to advanced stages. Frankly I see so many of these medical "latest" findings and many are politically biased one way or the other. I tend to be a skeptic until I hear a few different views from medical experts on both sides of a question.

In any case I feel it is the patient and their doctors place to suggest and to agree on a treatment based on latest findings and as appropriate for THAT patient....not on political BS.
And the identity of the medical groups discrediting the study? They admitted the shortfall in the methodology but the sheer weight of evidence seems compelling. The harm has obviously been caused to some by the use of the drug doesn’t seem to be enough evidence to be a concern? Anyway, the clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine have been temporarily halted.
WHO halts trials of 'Trump drug' over safety fears

I’m hearing the French government has also issued a decree preventing its use in hospitals. Just reporting on it.

Also great news from Japan that their state of emergency has been lifted. Their co-operative populace has made a huge difference in stemming what could have been a disaster.
Japan lifts state of emergency, saying 'unique' coronavirus strategy is working
I think it that supports the idea that following simple, basic measures like distancing and good hygiene practises works extremely well in controlling the virus’ spread.
Do the reverse with the virus still at large then you’re likely to walk into trouble at some stage. See how things are working out in Brazil at present in contrast to Japan....I know the social issues in Brazil are different. I’m talking about the adherence to best basic practise.
 

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And the identity of the medical groups discrediting the study? They admitted the shortfall in the methodology but the sheer weight of evidence seems compelling. The harm has obviously been caused to some by the use of the drug doesn’t seem to be enough evidence to be a concern? Anyway, the clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine have been temporarily halted.
WHO halts trials of 'Trump drug' over safety fears

I’m hearing the French government has also issued a decree preventing its use in hospitals. Just reporting on it.

Also great news from Japan that their state of emergency has been lifted. Their co-operative populace has made a huge difference in stemming what could have been a disaster.
Japan lifts state of emergency, saying 'unique' coronavirus strategy is working
I think it that supports the idea that following simple, basic measures like isolation, distancing and good hygiene practises works extremely well in controlling the virus’ spread.
Do the reverse with the virus still at large then you’re likely to walk into trouble at some stage. See how things are working out in Brazil at present in contrast to Japan....I know the social issues in Brazil are different. I’m talking about the adherence to best basic practice.

"Trump drug" ? hows absurd. Its a long established, fully FDA approved treatment for arthritis!!! Who gets arthritis? old people who probably have other health conditions but its been safe enough for them to take it for decades with every experts approval!! ! seriously, wake the f up ppl.

This is WHO we talking about World Health Organisation allows unlicensed Ebola drugs in west Africa

They also approved Mediator/Benflourex that killed thousands before it was withdrawn in 1997.
 

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"Trump drug" ? hows absurd. Its a long established, fully FDA approved treatment for arthritis!!! Who gets arthritis? old people who probably have other health conditions but its been safe enough for them to take it for decades with every experts approval!! ! seriously, wake the f up ppl.

This is WHO we talking about World Health Organisation allows unlicensed Ebola drugs in west Africa
Give ‘em a call. Tell them what you know.
In Oz, our use of hydroxychloroquine is also under review but there Is continued support for clinical trials to continue as well as its use by seriously ill patients under strict medical supervision.
Australian hydroxychloroquine trial to treat Covid-19 under review after WHO safety concern
 
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