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How many 4C Spiders left in the US?

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I'm just curious if there is a way to track down or find out how many 4C Spiders are left in the US? I have 1 of the 23 imported. Just curious where the other 22 are or if any have been totalled?
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This is helpful, can you tell me where you got these numbers?
North American numbers came from me. They come from Alfa Romeo. There’s a little nuance to who I get them from so won’t go beyond that.

The Australia numbers come from @Alfanut , who emailed Alfa Romeo Australia and they provided that to him.

They aren’t willing to do that in the US. There’s actually reasons for why they don’t and most manufacturers prefer not to, but, again, beyond the scope of this thread.

The 9195 global number that @borocouncilman cited also comes from me. It actually makes me really happy that people are using the right numbers. The 9195 comes from ANFIA. That is an exact number as reported by Alfa Romeo to the Italian government (honestly I’d have to check it because I forget but 91xx is right).

It is an exceptionally rare car. If you search, I once made a table that compared 4C production to a lot of other cars and it’s far lower production than anything that’s been made in the last 30 or 40 years.
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North American numbers came from me. They come from Alfa Romeo. There’s a little nuance to who I get them from so won’t go beyond that.

The Australia numbers come from @Alfanut , who emailed Alfa Romeo Australia and they provided that to him.

They aren’t willing to do that in the US. There’s actually reasons for why they don’t and most manufacturers prefer not to, but, again, beyond the scope of this thread.

The 9195 global number that @borocouncilman cited also comes from me. It actually makes me really happy that people are using the right numbers. The 9195 comes from ANFIA. That is an exact number as reported by Alfa Romeo to the Italian government (honestly I’d have to check it because I forget but 91xx is right).

It is an exceptionally rare car. If you search, I once made a table that compared 4C production to a lot of other cars and it’s far lower production than anything that’s been made in the last 30 or 40 years.
John, could you please give us the breakdown for USA Alfa Rosso Spiders - CF halo, Akra etc for all years.
Thank you John and Alphaboy (for the visual).
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Here are some numbers but it doesnt break down Spiders vs Coupes

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This is helpful, can you tell me where you got these numbers?
Although he may not be willing to share details, John has connections. ;)
Rule # 1: never press someone as to the details of his Italian connections! :ROFLMAO:

He can probably tell you the colour of underwear the foreman was wearing on the day your car left the factory, and what wine the person who installed the left headlight had with lunch that day.

His numbers are solid, and pretty decently reflect those on another independent source, goodcarbadcar.net if you are looking for validation (they don't break down spiders from coupes on their site though).
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9,195 is incredibly rare huh? At the last car show were three (3) yellow spiders and two coupes... A red one and a gray one. I personally know of at least two other 4Cs a red spider and another red coupe all within about a 75 mile radius. That is seven that I know of... Want rare, try my Dino 308gt4 they built 3,666 308s and 208s across seven years of production. See how many of them you can find running. I usually see two locally, mine and an orange one...
And remember, the Coupe was killed in 2018 so all 2019 and 2020 4Cs sold in the US were all Spiders, and those numbers are easy to get from a Google search.
And remember, the Coupe was killed in 2018 so all 2019 and 2020 4Cs sold in the US were all Spiders, and those numbers are easy to get from a Google search.
That’s not actually true for a couple reasons. What those sites report is sales, not the model year of the car. So many 2015-2018 coupes were actually sold in 2019 (and even some in 2020). The sales number will also get a slightly different total. Google articles around FCA sales number restatement from 2016 and you’ll know why ;)

1499 of 2175 USA 4Cs are either MY15 or MY16. So ~70% we’re made in the first two model years. The numbers dropped materially for 2017-2020 (and trended down every year aside from a small bump in 2020).

2019 is the rarest production year, by a lot, and 2020 is the second rarest, also by a lot. 2017 and 18 have about the same number of cars but for US 2017 was 99% coupe and 2018 was 40/60, so 2018 (final year) coupes are pretty rare (there’s 125 MY18 Coupes in USA).
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9,195 is incredibly rare huh? At the last car show were three (3) yellow spiders and two coupes... A red one and a gray one. I personally know of at least two other 4Cs a red spider and another red coupe all within about a 75 mile radius. That is seven that I know of... Want rare, try my Dino 308gt4 they built 3,666 308s and 208s across seven years of production. See how many of them you can find running. I usually see two locally, mine and an orange one...
Dino 308 is definitely rare. That said, to be fair, you’re comparing a car that went out of production 50 years ago to one that went out of production two years ago…
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John, could you please give us the breakdown for USA Alfa Rosso Spiders - CF halo, Akra etc for all years.
116 Rosso Alfa Spiders in NA
13 have CF Halo/Akra
116 Rosso Alfa Spiders in NA
13 have CF Halo/Akra
Thanks, do you know how many have the CF Halo from 2015 and 2016?
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Thanks, do you know how many have the CF Halo from 2015 and 2016?
Rosso Alfa? 5 in 2016 (0 MY15 - though Halo was available in 2015, just very few 2015s had halo). 29 Total Rosso Alfa Spiders with CF Halo


I know you waited for this, I missed you in a prior thread where I did this (I looked at your posts). My apologies. It's hard to keep up with the requests at times.

On that note, off to dinner so that's all for a bit. (y)
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Rosso Alfa? 5 in 2016 (0 MY15 - though Halo was available in 2015, just very few 2015s had halo). 29 Total Rosso Alfa Spiders with CF Halo


I know you waited for this, I missed you in a prior thread where I did this (I looked at your posts). My apologies. It's hard to keep up with the requests at times.

On that note, off to dinner so that's all for a bit. (y)
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9,195 is incredibly rare huh? At the last car show were three (3) yellow spiders and two coupes... A red one and a gray one. I personally know of at least two other 4Cs a red spider and another red coupe all within about a 75 mile radius. That is seven that I know of... Want rare, try my Dino 308gt4 they built 3,666 308s and 208s across seven years of production. See how many of them you can find running. I usually see two locally, mine and an orange one...
As I said, “by modern standards”. Ferrari makes a lot more cars than they used to.
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For perspective, Porsche makes around 40k 911s every year, with well over a million produced so far.
Chiming in that the 4C is rare: Rarity is Relative

Sure, 9,195 total 4c (2175 total 4C in USA, 1324 Coupes, 851 Spiders) is "rare", but then let's talk about Bugatti's lifetime production, or as said, "a dino 308"/etc, and yes, the 4c seems like no big deal.

YET the 4c is a bigger, rarer deal than any of these typically thought of numbers. The 4c will always be:

1. Alfa Romeo Single Model (zero evolution, apart from a carbotub tinted red? Maybe?) HAND MADE.
this is rare given a very knowledgeable anyone can list off the special models that were hand made, especially when considering it is all Italian, and the 4c is facts in that list.

2. ICE drivetrained carbon chassis with alloy subframes that...
Now, the carbotubbed fast cars will be on the dumb end of prices or be a strong hybrid/BEV. Ask anyone in 1999 how awesome would a carbotub 4 banger turbo lightweight special made by Italians and you would merely get a drool and some utterances that sound like cursing. Ask the same question today, even, and someone will say "that would be special, if Porsche asked VW for Bugatti's midengine carbon tubs but bolted in even the base flat six, then that's sold out for years on debut".

3. ...wasn't, and still isn't, anywhere near the opportunity cost of a seriously performing asset in a historical bull run time frame. 2013-2019 was an ABSOLUTE PARTY.
this is also "rare", given how many cars can you buy that have the 4c's platform for less than ~$80k? Well... Just ONE. The nearest deal was the McLaren 570s with many miles before 2020, but I would rather buy a 1/1 or 2/1 "starter" rental returning 8% for the same money.

It's one thing to splurge on a Porsche 911 S or Lotus Exige, for example, in 1999, because it fit into the market very nicely, and while your parked money was making "8%", you could've been relatively smart to have gotten a 993 or M3 or, or, or, etc on the side, given roads were relatively empty and running costs were relatively cheapening. Today, those models sell at prices that made them free or better to own and use! You could "buy a house" for example back then but the deals you can cut w banks and the state of construction for properties at the ~$70k range it wasn't going to make anyone rich real fast. Thus, it wasn't rare to splurge on a "special car" back in 1999 since most manufacturers had VERY special "unnecessary" models. These may have "low production numbers", but weren't "rare" - just go to the next car event and the field is basically these models.

In 2013, the "sports car" and even "manual transmission" was dying and gas was popping expensive. For the 4c to even exist in the time frame, it's "rare"... As the other recent roster of "sports cars" from 911's to Hellcats to Supras/Si/STI/etc again will make up the majority field of your next car event. Carbon chassis cars? Yep... Maybe a handful of at all. Alfa Romeo carbon chassis? Yep. The 4c is the only one.

4. Real Talk: NO ONE "needs" a GT3 RS or an Aventador, etc. If you need so much engineering and cost to enjoy driving, you simply don't know how to drive. Full stop.
A go kart is what made Lewis Hamilton (well known). A four cylinder is what made Jim Clark get into F1 (BTCC, Lotus Cortina). Fangio created records not broken for decades in cars that had HAND BRAKES, yes, literally a vertical handle that needed muscle to directly clamp the brake shoes.
So, the 4c is also VERY RARE in that it was even made (few but famous models share this similar narrative, such as the McLaren F1 or the Lotus 2-eleven), and by FCA (only the final generation of Viper joins this distinction).

Basically, the 4c, despite having just over 9k made, is effectively "as rare" as Ferrari's SP1/2/3 or Lamborghini's "Sesto Elements"... Because they are models that didn't make business sense, didn't sit well with corporate heads, and didn't really beat out similar competitors, but we're made anyways for the sheer experiment of the vision.🍀
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This is helpful, can you tell me where you got these numbers?
We know the thread count of your sheets.
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Sorry to be THAT guy, but the thread title asks how many are LEFT. Not how many were produced. I'm curious if anyone knows.
Sorry to be THAT guy, but the thread title asks how many are LEFT. Not how many were produced. I'm curious if anyone knows.
Really? I doubt anyone knows, but probably more than 800.

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All of this excitement and Lars and I aren't even involved with the conversation!
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