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sometime later I will go through this thread post by post, but really quick ... does anyone remember years ago ... maybe with 993's where Porsche was using Magnesium and had fire issues? or maybe it was in the 1980's

anyway, how does this compare?

would these make sense on a street car that doesn't get driven too often?

I saw companies like AL13 making Carbon Fiber wheel barrels etc to your order/spec but they are like $5k per wheel
 
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18/19? Weight?
There are scale pics a little further up.
18x7.5 - 6.0 kg / 13.2 lbs
19x9 - 6.7 kg / 14.8 lbs

sometime later I will go through this thread post by post, but really quick ... does anyone remember years ago ... maybe with 993's where Porsche was using Magnesium and had fire issues? or maybe it was in the 1980's

anyway, how does this compare?

would these make sense on a street car that doesn't get driven too often?

I saw companies like AL13 making Carbon Fiber wheel barrels etc to your order/spec but they are like $5k per wheel
80s magnesium wheels were AZ91, which would take sustained temps above 800*F to ignite (frankly long after other parts of the car would’ve gone up). Modern magnesium wheels are AZ80A, which is dramatically more stable than AZ91, as well as further treated to protect against corrosion, flammability, etc.. Any fire risk is extremely low. I daily a car on magnesium wheels (not the 4C) and don’t think about it at all. They’re repairable like aluminum wheels, refinish-able like aluminum wheels, etc. They work well for any use imho (daily to track car).

I haven’t seen actual instances of even those older Porsche wheels igniting - I think it’s more urban myth than realistic situation. I know there are a few cases which discuss magnesium wheels being hard to extinguish when there was already a fire but I haven’t seen anything super credible about the wheel being the source of the fire (even historically). It’s possible in early racing when the wheels were cast, uncoated, and inferior alloys but even then actual documented cases are sparse.

I think it’s important to remember that Porsche sells cars at the OEM level with AZ80A wheels (and that’s from VAG which presumably has a massive risk management department - suffice it to say if there was any real risk they wouldn’t sell them).

I can do full CF barrels as well btw. It’s so expensive and impractical that I don’t really advertise or even mention them though. It’s definitely not my market and carbon wheels in general are both impractical (curb one and it’s done) and comparably inferior (heavier) to an equivalent magnesium product.

The only reason (IMHO) that you don’t see more magnesium wheels is cost. Even from me they’re obviously expensive but I’m a small fraction of what anyone else is selling them for. That’s the real reason you don’t see more of them.
 
18/19? Weight?
Yep. You can go sweeply across the first 3 gears with an tune...low revs and fast pickup with the throttle push.... it´s ´like´ having more ´free´ power... hard to discribe...
These cars are made for this kind of wheels..... guess the combo wheel/brake disc makes a enourmous difference.....
 
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so 17/18 is an option now? is it any style or only particular styles?

I was planning to order Tekla 17/18 as of all the designs thats my favorite one (I also like the Rendered M3 one you posted earlier in the thread)

I would be debating if extra $$$ spent on the Mag wheels is worth compared to the forged aluminum (other then flex)

I may just wait until fall and order wheels for you for next Spring at this point
 
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Is there a reason you run these half an inch narrower than the equivalent BSPK 6061 aluminum wheels beyond the obvious weight consideration?
It’s somewhat by individual request. It’s worked out to be 7.5/9 for most of the mag sets thus far but there isn’t a big reason for it. The extra width is a negligible amount of weight.

To give an example, I’m doing a set for a 911 right now and it was originally going to be 21x11.5 at 8.3kg. We changed it to 21x12.5 and it’s 8.4kg -> so it isn’t like the extra barrel width is really moving the needle (this is also true with aluminum but the difference is even less with magnesium).


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so 17/18 is an option now? is it any style or only particular styles?

I was planning to order Tekla 17/18 as of all the designs thats my favorite one (I also like the Rendered M3 one you posted earlier in the thread)

I would be debating if extra $$$ spent on the Mag wheels is worth compared to the forged aluminum (other then flex)

I may just wait until fall and order wheels for you for next Spring at this point
Any style. The initial limitation was due to blank availability. I changed my supplier for magnesium blanks in September of last year to be able to customize them as needed. There’s a little extra cost/lead time to customizing the blank but it’s not massive - definitely worth it to get the right fitments.

We could do Tekla or the M3 style (Charlotte), or anything really - whatever you prefer. Magnesium is definitely a nice to have but comes at a decent premium to an aluminum set. You’ll probably save ~5 lbs per wheel in 17/18 versus the equivalent aluminum product - so it’s fairly meaningful difference (~20lbs) - definitely something you’ll notice beyond just the flex element.
 
It’s somewhat by individual request. It’s worked out to be 7.5/9 for most of the mag sets thus far but there isn’t a big reason for it. The extra width is a negligible amount of weight.

To give an example, I’m doing a set for a 911 right now and it was originally going to be 21x11.5 at 8.3kg. We changed it to 21x12.5 and it’s 8.4kg -> so it isn’t like the extra barrel width is really moving the needle (this is also true with aluminum but the difference is even less with magnesium).
Wheel weight is definitely going to be negligible, when compared to the extra weight of rubber for the wider tire that you might put on the wider wheel.
 
Wheel weight is definitely going to be negligible, when compared to the extra weight of rubber for the wider tire that you might put on the wider wheel.
True but I can't imagine going to a narrower tire if I bought yet another set of wheels. Most of us on aftermarket 18/19's are running 225/40/18 and 255/35/19
 
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True but I can't imagine going to a narrower tire if I bought yet another set of wheels. Most of us on aftermarket 18/19's are running 225/40/18 and 255/35/19
4Canada is right and it’s a valid point but the difference between a 245 and a 255 is about a pound (comparing a few common tires in each size). It’s something, but it’s not going to be a massive difference - especially if you’re used to the 255 setup already. You can likely make up more than that by going to a lighter tire in the same size (e.g. a 255 Cup2 weighs less than a 245 PS4S).
 
Yep. You can go sweeply across the first 3 gears with an tune...low revs and fast pickup with the throttle push.... it´s ´like´ having more ´free´ power... hard to discribe...
These cars are made for this kind of wheels..... guess the combo wheel/brake disc makes a enourmous difference.....
Pulling away from a standstill into a corner results in wheelspin in low rev.....just plain stupid which a difference it makes.....Did a lot of sprints .... it´s like having more power.... love it.... guess it´s also nice for the gearbox for having less of a drag with heavier wheels....In slow N automatic drivin the shiftin also behave different.....It goes in granny mode i believe....poedlin in 5th @ 1500 rpm.... Put it in race and i got wheelspin when overtakin....love it....
Makes my AW tune a bit better👍
 
@tibby sounds crazy, how strong are axles etc, hope it doesn’t put too much excessive wear

going with 17/18 option 215/245 similar to what I have right now
rear mag wheel with oem pirellis
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oem rear teledial with oem pirellis

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That's 4KG less a wheel!
You will feel that when accellerating.....

My clutch plates will be happy with less strain on them with that low torque builder AW tune.
Better my wheels slips vs my clutch ;)
 
rear mag wheel with oem pirellis
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vs
oem rear teledial with oem pirellis

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That's 4KG less a wheel!
You will feel that when accellerating.....

My clutch plates will be happy with less strain on them with that low torque builder AW tune.
Better my wheels slips vs my clutch ;)
Does it make any difference to weight how much air you have in the tyre?
 
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