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#1 ·
OK so I have opened a new profile for all the technical bits and pieces to be posted on, how do you suggest we organise it?
 
#45 ·
You could do something like I did on the six speed Aston forum, create an FAQ and make a sticky. Post links to all the various tech threads with brief description. I also included useful threads from other locations as well. THe first post would be the main info source, and if you'll look at my FAQ in the upper lefthand corner I'd change the date whenever something was added. UPDATE 12/14/2015 or such.

Allow people to post links to the thread but then let the moderator or whoever has editing privileges for that thread to add these links to the first post. I also set up with classifications to make it easier to nav.. This way you get a collective effort.

Take a look:

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/aston-martin/337668-aston-martin-frequently-asked-questions.html

Chris
 
#44 ·
Create a new forum:-

Technical and vehicle assistance as on alfaowner.

Then move the existing forums, engine and technical, electrical and tYer's, wheels and suspension to be folders under Technical and vehicle assistance. It might be a bit confusing for a while but new posts would tend to go towards the correct area and then we could move interesting posts to the correct folder at our leisure and not worry to much about the rest of the chat.

Then we add these folders:-

Axle
Auxiliary units
Brakes
Clutch unit
Diagnostics
Fittings
Maintenance
Panels and frame
Steering

At the start of all of these forums we add a sticky labled, Index of Technical posts


I then put a number of posts up in the sticky with titles like:-

DIY guides
Technical information
Specifications and settings
Common issues

And these can then be edited by anyone who knows the password, we could leave this open so that it could be edited by selected members of the forum as they post interesting things or if possible only allow one "contributor" to post here but with trusted forum members allowed to access it using the password.


Titles may change to make it clearer what is where the present titles are from ALFA!!!!!!!!!
 
#43 ·
Many thanks Aristo, that made fascinating reading (if somewhat disappointing to see how much grief people who dedicate so much time to looking after these forums can get).

I have to say though, I think post #41 above is the best of all of them...

Though I might prefer the index sticky thread to be left open as well (as a personal preference I like all threads to be open, it looks more democratic, but I appreciate that it can become problematic in the real world - a bit like democracy!).

For newbies and guests I think its important to keep the index and live threads together, and to link "adopted" threads back to the index, and for those "adopted" threads to be marked as such to try keep the topic of conversation in one place. A special symbol in the left hand column of the thread listings would be good too.
 
#42 ·
#41 · (Edited)
I must say I like Lloydsbank's idea, how about this

Create a new forum:-

Technical and vehicle assistance as on alfaowner.

Then move the existing forums, engine and technical, electrical and tYer's, wheels and suspension to be folders under Technical and vehicle assistance. It might be a bit confusing for a while but new posts would tend to go towards the correct area and then we could move interesting posts to the correct folder at our leisure and not worry to much about the rest of the chat.

Then we add these folders:-

Axle
Auxiliary units
Brakes
Clutch unit
Diagnostics
Fittings
Maintenance
Panels and frame
Steering

At the start of all of these forums we add a sticky labled, Index of Technical posts


I then put a number of posts up in the sticky with titles like:-

DIY guides
Technical information
Specifications and settings
Common issues

And these can then be edited by anyone who knows the password, we could leave this open so that it could be edited by selected members of the forum as they post interesting things or if possible only allow one "contributor" to post here but with trusted forum members allowed to access it using the password.

If we have to leave it open we put a last post in the sticky up with a dire warning like:-

DONT POST HERE OR YOU WILL BE BANNED, and for the select few that decide to ignore this we simply move them to keep this area as clean as possible

then we could set about indexing what is there.

This way we could carry on posting as usual and to most of the members of the forum little would change.
 
#40 ·
So the idea is to provide detailed reference material for each of these areas and not a discussion area for each of these. Then we need only create the new main level forum, perhaps called Technical Information or something like that. Under that would be the recommended subforums 1-14 above.

I suggest we should take advantage of JaimeAlfa's obvious enthusiasm for this and give him the ability to create the four standard threads under each of the subfolders and populate them with the appropriate material. The threads would be closed, and only those with privileges could post there (JaimeAlfa and of course Meishka1 for now?).

Others will want to contribute information I'm sure, and we should encourage this, so there are different ways to do this:

1) Create a 15th subfolder called Tech Info Discussion or something like that, which would be where people can specifically propose new info to be included in one of the other topic-specific 14 subforums. This area could have an unlimited number of threads like the rest of the Forum, and it wouldn't clog up.

2) Create an open discussion thread in each of the topic-specific subfolders, but this will quickly become long, clogged, and not so useful.

For now Jaime would be responsible for moving new reference information and links proposed by other members into the appropriate subforum. Others could also be given moderator privileges over this area as we move forward as experience dictates. It's a lot of work for Jaime, but he keeps answering the bell.
 
#37 · (Edited)
Aristo - you must have seen this conversation many times in auto guide.com's stable of forums. Do you have an example of one that has been implemented particularly well?

foleydb - I absolutely take your point about knowledge base best practice, but in my experience (mostly motorcycle) forums are just too chaotic. However careful you are with keywords and metadata, you can spend hours trying to diagnose a problem by reading through a mass of old, incorrect, speculative, superceeded information spread over many threads to get at the nuggets. Or you give up and just start a new thread, further overloading the next searcher. Not problem here yet perhaps, but with time, growth and endless careless postings, it inevitably will be.

I guess a thread is a conversation after all, so it's never going to be structured. And that's what's great about these forums (we wouldn't want it to be like stackoverflow.com...). But I think the active threads and the indexes should be together.

What we seem to have here is a resource with the technical knowledge and ability to separate the wheat from the chaff (ie jamiealfa) volunteering to maintain an index of the "best bits" to save us a load of time.

So for me, it's:

Yes, to sub folders (whatever the mods are happy with), replacing existing technical sub folders.
Yes, to a sticky "Index - the best bits" at the top of each sub folder, for "adopted threads" and external links (there would probably have to be some rules).
No, to sub, sub folders. Getting too complicated.
Everyone is free to post to all threads.

When an interesting thread is started about a new issue it can get "adopted" for the index (marked as such in the listing) and becomes the reference for this topic and (this is the real magic for me..) the OP is obligated, where relevant, to maintain their original post with developments as they evolve. OK, the last bit is somewhat naive, but if the OP doesn't, or doesn't feel qualified to do this, then the maintainer(s) of the index can step in (Aristo - can a post be inserted at the top of a thread? If not, can the Index Maintainer(s) started a new thread and merge the old thread underneath? Or
just have permissions to edit the OP?).

That just leaves the investment in the existing technical threads which need moving.

So, jamiealfa, would your largese extend to doing the OP editing where necessary and moving the existing threads (if mods allowed temp permissions). It's a big ask. But if you don't ask, you don't get!
 
#36 ·
Examples of

Technical info http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_direct_fuel_injection_systems.shtml
Specifications and settings http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_4C_handbook.shtml

I left a blank page if we were going to have this live so people could add threads, but I think it would be better on balance if people posted elsewhere and this was just a series of links, an index I dont know if admin could allow just one contributor to add to a thread?

Press reports would be thread specific, this would just be a good way of indexing them so we can easily find them and they dont get lost in a thread.

I was thinking we use a specific contributor eg Alfaworkshop-manual to post the threads then we give members with over 500 or 1000 posts the password and they can add links as they see fit.

I see the discussion taking place elsewhere in the forum and this just being an index, we could call this forum Technical index or Forum index if that made it clearer what was here, any ideas on a title would be helpful
 
#35 ·
I've finally had a moment to look at this more carefully. If I understand this, there would be one new Forum folder at the main level, so we would have:

  1. Introductions
  2. Alfa Romeo 4C General Discussion
  3. Purchasing and Ordering
  4. Alfa Romeo 4C Reviews
  5. Appearance & Body
  6. Electronics
  7. Engine and Technical
  8. Tires, Wheels, and Suspension
  9. Interior
  10. The Car Lounge
  11. Classifieds
  12. Technical Workshop (this is the new one)

Within the Technical Workshop Folder there would be the following subfolders (and new ones would be relatively easy to add later):

  1. Axle
  2. Auxiliary Units (needs more description)
  3. Brakes
  4. Diagnostics
  5. Clutch Unit
  6. Diagnostics
  7. Electrical Equipment
  8. Engine
  9. Fittings (not sure what this is?)
  10. Maintenance
  11. Panels and Frame
  12. Steering
  13. Suspension and Wheels
  14. Press Reports (not sure about this one, as these would normally be specific to a subfolder, no?)

Then there would be four operating threads ONLY in each subfolder, and new threads would not be allowed.

  1. Technical Information
  2. Specifications and Settings
  3. DIY Guides
  4. Common Issues
NOTE: It's not clear to me what the difference would be between Technical Information and Specifications and Settings threads. There was also the suggestion of a thread without a title, but I'm not sure what that would be for.

With this approach it does not seem to me that anyone would need to edit or modify these threads particularly, reducing the need for moderator involvement. Once the three or four threads are established in each subforum they would become live threads and people could post the details they want or ask the questions they have, and the discussion would proceed just as elsewhere on the forum. If posts or threads elsewhere on the Forum have appropriate information people can just link to them as they can now. Who would create the threads and provide the initial information is also a question.

Since there is no way to explain how this all works at the main Technical Workshop top folder level (it will merely be a navigation link in the drop down folder menu, but not a page) there will have to be a sticky message thread at the top of each the 13 subfolders (or 14 if Press Reports makes the cut), then the other threads below that.

I'm not sure if you can close a forum to new threads but continue to allow new posts in the existing threads there, but it should be possible.

Not sure if this accurately describes what we're talking about, but this approach removes the need for special moderators or editing and adjusting of posts.
 
#30 · (Edited)
On alfa owner you have this area (see thumbnail) under forums what I need is the same as this but instead of the model list they have I would need this list:-

Axle
Auxiliary units
Brakes
Diagnostics
Clutch unit
Diagnostics
Electrical equipment
Engine
Fittings
Maintenance
Panels and frame
Press reports
Steering
Suspension and wheels

Then I would have 5 posts

DIY guides
Technical information
Specifications and settings
Common issues
Blank

Which I could edit at will

And in the posts I would put this

Adjusting headlamps, chris@eurocompulsion http://4c-forums.com/386250-post5.html
Brake pre-fill, jamiealfa http://4c-forums.com/386706-post1.html
Clutch, jamiealfa http://4c-forums.com/378890-post1.html
DNA system, jamiealfa http://4c-forums.com/380106-post1.html
Starting Problems, Racerz http://4c-forums.com/386890-post34.html

as and when a new item was added i would insert it in the correct position
 
#29 · (Edited)
#26 · (Edited)
OK what about this?

Start a new forum:-

Workshop manual or Technical centre

then have sub folders:-

Axle
Auxiliary units
Brakes
Diagnostics
Clutch unit
Diagnostics
Electrical equipment
Engine
Fittings
Maintenance
Panels and frame
Press reports
Steering
Suspension and wheels

Then under each folder do 5 posts with the titles

DIY guides
Technical information
Specifications and settings
Common issues
Blank

In each post there is then the index:-

Air filter-size link
Engine-cam timing link
Gear box-torque settings link
Tailgate glass-specification link


So you would follow the flow as highlighted in green to find the engine cam timing

I would suggest using a name like Alfaworkshop-manual as the member name and under his profile give instructions how to post things. We could then give a number of senior members the password so they can index posts and useful external links on other sites. I also thought it might be a good idea to index press articles so I have added that in!

Do we think that this is a good idea, is it possible and can we make it work?

Technically we would need to be able to edit all of Alfaworkshop-manuals's posts at all times

Finally do we encourage people to post here or let them post anywhere and just use this as an index?
 
#22 · (Edited)
OK gents here is how I think it will work

We set up a technical section.

Next we have the usual folders, engine, gearbox, body etc etc

Then we create a number of blank posts at the front of the section which we allow an editor/editors to go in and add just a reference like gearbox-torques or how to remove a door card then a link to the post on the forum or to an external site, much as you would edit your own post now. The editors then can arrange it in alphabetical order so it is easy to reference and I would suggest we split it into two sections, technical info and how to guides.

Then after the first page or two we allow people to post as they would do normally and we index it on the first pages as and when people post

All we would need to do this is a number of sub folders and the ability to edit the first few pages at will. To make things a bit more future proof it might be wise to be able to add pages between the index and the body of the thread if that is possible?

What do you think and is it possible?

See below for an idea of the index page at the front of the section
 
#21 ·
Hey there :)

I'm here to help (add the subforums and permissions in).

Whatever you need, just give me a clear description of what folder to make, where to put it and a description (if necessary) under the title. If there are permissions that you want to add to the folders (like posting and locks), please include that as well.

Once you have all agreed on one thing, I'll make it asap.

Lee, community.


PS: I'm moving it to the site help section so I'll be notified whenever there's a post response.
 
#17 · (Edited)
So, below is an example of a list of the main five forum folders for technical threads let's say, and I've put in some clickable links to search results for threads that contain some relevant terms under the Engine and Technical section.

Appearance & Body

Electronics

Engine and Technical

Tires, Wheels, and Suspension

Interior

The search results when you click on them show that the search has been conducted in the Engine and Technical forum and child forums, which makes me think the forum software does allow for at least one additional level for subforums, and perhaps more. So it appears we probably could create additional subfolders under the five categories, but I'm not sure about whether that really makes sense for this forum.

Also, the search result embedded links are using the "show threads" and not "show posts" option for where the keyword appears, but this could be modified.

Lastly, it's pretty time consuming to do this, because the search function converts the search words into a seven digit number, which means every search has to be run, the number determined, and then the link copied and pasted into text as an embedded hyperlink. That's kind of a show stopper. If the search result hyperlink showed the search word, I could create and embed a thousand links in a few seconds, but if each one has to be done manually and handjammed in, it would take forever to do a lot of these.