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Great looking car with nice mods. I understand the dilemma you are facing,

Maybe try to sell as is first, and if you can’t get what you want, revert to stock then.

 

Awesome build!!

As someone who has never owned a non modified car, from my expectance of buying modified cars and modifying my own cars, usually you are better off parting out the car.
If you are most interested in getting the most money back in your pocket, selling every part individually will get you there

However its such a pain to do that. Not only return the car to stock but list every single part, box them up, ship it, deal with people, etc...

So what is your time worth as well??

Just my .02. But worst you could do is list it at the price you think its worth, hopefully someone comes around, if not, part it out.

 

The fact that you have all the original parts to return to stock is a big deal. I don't think you'll find someone who is going to give you more than top-dollar for an OEM car though (never know, maybe you will?). I think you'll get maximum return by selling the OEM car and then selling the parts -- but you have to consider the PITA factor.

Perhaps list it with an acceptable-to-you asking price and see if you get any bites? If that doesn't work after a reasonable time period, then do plan B of returning to OEM, etc.

 

I doubt you'll find the right buyer to try and sell the car at an increased price with the mods installed. If you want to get close to your money back, you'll be better off going back "close to stock" and selling some of the more expensive aftermarket parts separately.

Also, returning the stock steering wheel with the airbag will likely attract more buyers.

 

Would you mind telling me what resister you used to get rid of the airbag light in the doors?? Would be appreciated

 

Going to check my notes I'll get back to you

 

@KarlB here's another option for you... Near the Sault.
@Joel Fleischman , meet KarlB, who is in the Ottawa area and looking for a 4C potentially.
Since he is also considering (and comes from a series of) higher power cars, he might be interested as is, or with the parts to bring it back.

(Otherwise, "DIBS" on some of your mod parts, LOL).

 

Nice to meet you @KarlB feel free to come by and take it for a spin anytime...might be too late this year given the 20cm of snow we got last night lol

 

If it were me, and if I had the time to return some to stock (it appears that you have the ability, but not sure about the time), I'd probably return the steering, seats and door cards to stock for the safety factor for the new buyer, remove the harness bar and harness, and probably the Race ECU. The rest, I'd probably leave alone as they don't limit the market for the car the way the lack of airbag/safety features, and the race track-inspired mods do. You will also get a decent dollar selling these parts (offer to the purchaser first, if you prefer) separately from the car.

You might want to change the downpipe to stock (I assume it is a cat delete), as you will still need a e-test for transfer of ownership in Ontario. That alone makes the tune less useful, then.

The wheels, well, I'd sell those to me if I were you (that makes no sense, but you get my drift, LOL). I think that you won't get any more $ for aftermarket wheels on a car, and you won't be able to sell the stock ones for as much as you would these, if you part out. Plus, they are an easy swap, even in your driveway in the snow.

 

not to pretend to be a lawyer, but I might also be concerned with liability issues on selling a vehicle under the pretence that it will be used on the road (not track) without the safety features it required to be plated in the first place.

 

Really appreciate all of the insights and suggestions. Thank you all very much.

I will likely list "as is" for a reasonable price - 75k CAD looks to be typical asking for a well optioned coupe with low mileage and add a reasonable amount for the upgrades which total ~30k if you can believe it.

Thinking $87,500 is fair for a car that I am in for well over 100k...not including the hundreds of man hours I put into it.

If anyone is interested in working out a deal send a message.

If I don't get any takers I'll start the painful process of undoing all of my hard work...

 

I'm interested if you sell the original seats from the car.

 

Going to keep until I figure out what I'm doing but if they don't go with the car they are yours.

 

Thanks so much, and if you do decide to sell downpipe let me know, is it catless or sport cat

 

Cat less...sounds so good abd the turbo spool is instantaneous

 

I’d wait until next Spring, take it to the track for a day, then see if you really want to sell it. To do all you have with the car without turning a wheel in anger seems a lot of wasted effort to me.

 

So much wasted effort...it breaks my heart that I haven't turned a single lap. The suspension mods, all the light weighting and extra power I know it would be a track sleeper up there with the GT3s of the world.

But with a pool going in the backyard and another sports car delivery planned for April I may not have a choice unless I win the lottery.

 

Having parts removed or swapped such as air bags (new non stock steering wheel), CAT, ECU replacement, removal of stock seat belts and seat belt sensors WILL limit your chances of sale as those changes would impact getting it registered for a new owner. As long as you have those parts still, you would be better off putting safety and emission devices back to stock to open up your sales potential. Other upgrades that don't change emission or safety would be OK.

 

TBH, the more mods on a car, the less (i.e. below market price) that it is typically worth.
The buyer pool becomes considerably limited, and no buyer particularly cares how much time and money that you have into the car.
In fact, knowing that these were done perhaps privately and not by a reputable shop / licensed mechanic (apologies if you are / did) would put some buyers off, knowing that corners might have been cut or aftermarket parts could potentially be non-standard. I'm not accusing you of this, and obviously you have used only the best parts here, but not every purchaser would be comfortable with it. Lower demand means lower prices.

Unless you find a buyer who was going to mod the car up exactly this way anyhow, and those are few and far between, it isn't likely that you will get any premium for the mods while still on the car. In fact, you might find that it sells for less or far slower than cars priced about equally.

The weather isn't in your favour either, but sounds like you could potentially wait until early spring to do the transaction, by which time demand for this type of car rises in the great white north again.
OTOH, I've never seen used car prices anywhere near what they are today. If you can find a buyer, the dollars are crazy high right now. No telling how long that will last, but I would assume supply chain issues will cause it to persist into spring/summer 2022.

GLWS.

 

Ok, if you part out let me know.... Id say keep the car unless its ferrari time

 

I Pm him be4 ur comment doe 😜. I have scara high flow cat with a custom Ti axle back. It’s suck he stop making Ti downpipe, so I have to get the SS one. Mine sounds like shit atm 😔

 

$75K CAD? Sure wish I knew about this 3 weeks ago.

 

Id like to hear it

 

If you have Instagram hear it

 

I would love to see this 4C sold in the London area and have it run with us at Grand Bend. Interesting build.

 

I wanna run with you at grand bend. If it doesn't sell I'll be there.

 

A former track car modded and then restored to OEM by the owner? You just greatly reduced your buyer pool. Will you disclose that this car was once a track car?

 

It was never tracked. See initial post.

Jeff

 

My $0.02... so far I've tracked 4 different cars over an 18+ year period - and by tracked I mean lapping/HPDE as @4Canada mentions.

In my anecdotal but fairly long-term experience, track-rats tend to be obsessive about their cars and the care of them. My own cars (and the cars of every track-friend I've known) have fluid changes at a frequency probably 2-3+ times the manufacturers recommendations. Plus fluid changes that most street-only drivers probably never think about. On top of that are the frequent (sometimes obsessive) adjustments, safety checks, etc.

No one driving a lapping/HPDE day is interested in having anything on their car operating at less than tip-top shape. I'm not sure this can be said for a lot of street-only drivers. I wonder how often an average street-only driver even checks something as simple as their wheel-lug/nut torque or gets a brake fluid flush/fill? PS. Not saying we need to get obsessive about wheel nuts, but just as a comparison point.

At a track day cars are driven fast, not recklessly (well usually anyway before the reckless moron gets removed). I echo the sentiment that I'd be more concerned about potential damage done to a car by a clueless owner sitting at a stoplight revving the piss out of her/her engine trying to look cool vs a care&feeding-conscientious track driver. In fact given 2 equiv cars I personally would lean more to buying the track-driver's car because I'll know it's been well taken care of (otherwise it would likely not have survived intact).

Re the car mentioned above, it being tracked or not would not concern me. I would be more concerned (for any car re/re stock/mod parts) that the car gets returned to street-legal stock operating condition properly with no short-cuts and that everything that is expected to be operational is operational. Unfort there is no easy way to test airbags except to trust the idiot lights that they are correct waiting to deploy when needed.

Of course talking about obsession to this forum is probably not the best combination of a "lack of bias" example. But that's another thing...

 

Been that road many times with Porsches. You will never get your money back if you sell it as is. Hard to find the right guy to appreciate your modifications. Probably better to sell them separately.

 

The way I like to think of mods and value of a car for sale....it boils down to how large is the potential buyer list. As you do mods....the number of potential buyers is reduced as some may not like your taste in mods, change from stock, weird color, etc.
An extreme example....suppose you love an orange car so have yours painted or wrapped in that color. Now you have severely limited your potential buyer bucket to those that also like orange, or are prepared to pay and go to the trouble of stripping a wrap off to go back to the stock paint. You may have a buyer who wants exactly what you have....but the chances of that are dramatically reduced. It is one thing to have a huge bucket of car buyers such as with a big selling car like a Porsche.....but for a car that is sold in very few numbers like ours your potential buyer list is dramatically less.

 

I concur with @Mimi_tuce but there are exceptions. Certain cars are known to benefit from specific modifications which are not only acceptable but desirable. If it is a modification that the majority of informed owners desire, a buyer may look for a car with the modification(s) already done. This is the situation with Porsche 996-997 (non turbo) with RMS/IMS, FD RX-7 rats-nest vacuum hoses and pre-cat, and SupraTT’s any number of power mods.
As with the Supra TT, it’s not necessarily correcting an OEM problem scenario; it can be enhancing/exploiting an OEM loophole to create a better car. The buyer must be informed of the benefit of course.

Finding the right buyer is often random but you can improve your chances of coincidence by listing at an appropriate venue. BAT, for example, generally achieves higher prices for low mileage cars with no modifications. eBay gets a huge audience and although many aren’t comfortable bidding, the ad may attract a buyer who approaches you after the auction. This forum and other performance/track oriented classifieds may better appreciate proper modifications and pay extra for a car with them.
Also remember that once you publicly list a modded car for sale, if you de-mod it and re-list it presented as unmodified, expect buyers to find out. The internet is a permanent record so it is better to disclose everything as to not smell fishy. Some sellers will offer a car at a given price, and for an additional cost will include the upgraded parts already installed with the original parts in boxes.

Good luck!

 

If I didn't have an LE I would have did the E /C intake and tune. I had them on my Giulia and it was a beast. I feel that the limited edition models are better left unmolested. I have a habit of putting thousands into a car only to not get it back. I love the 4C as is.

 

If I didn't have an LE I would have did the E /C intake and tune. I had them on my Giulia and it was a beast. I feel that the limited edition models are better left un molested. I have a habit of putting thousands into a car only to not get it back. I love the 4C as is.

That would be a Launch Edition, not a Limited Edition.

Jeff

 

I realize it's the Launch Edition produced in limited numbers.

 

Hey @Joel Fleischman , any updates on this?
Did you make a decision? Hopefully keeping it became a possibility.